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Discussion How to Make PocketMine Servers More Family-Friendly

Comments in 'General Discussion' started by Darunia18, May 5, 2014.

  1. Darunia18
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    Recently Johan and Tomasso spoke to BlockTalk about MCPE, servers, etc. They said they want to support PocketMine servers more, but don't know how because they want to keep everything kid-friendly. Since PE is aimed at younger children, they need to protect them. They mentioned a few ways to do this, some on their side, but I thought I'd just post this and get a discussion going to see how we can change PocketMine and the community to better reflect what they want. Oh and they also said that one way we can do this is through the community, not just in-game. Maybe try to reach out to parents in a way or something, I'm not sure. Let's get a discussion going and maybe we can come up with some good ideas here! :D

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    I was thinking of making a parental control plugin which would add a small web interface for parents to restrict the usage of their child. But the real issue is parents aren't actually aware of their child's usage of the server feature and the implications of it.
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    This is exactly what Johan was trying to explain why they didn't feel comfortable adding a multiplayer menu, because they don't want it to be too easy to access multiplayer if parents have no way to control it. They could always set up ways to require them to sign in with their Apple ID or Google account or whatever, but it still leaves this: how do you communicate that to the parents? With PCs it is easier, because parents usually monitor what a kid does on the computer. On tablets and iPod Touches, though, parents don't really think about that because they have the mindset of "They're just playing Angry Birds" and don't think about how they can still browse the web, talk to strangers, and encounter various means to get in trouble legally and morally with little effort.

    I am a big advocate of creating a parent-child trust so that parents know what their children are involved with online. They don't have to know every conversation and stuff if they're older, but when they are younger children, parents need to be aware of what their children do online. I got into a bit of trouble myself about five years ago (and I changed my username and abandoned that past identity), but now my parents usually know what I'm involved with, who I'm talking to, and what information I give out. I help run a PC Minecraft server, and as an admin, I make it clear that no one should give out too much information and stuff. I want their parents to know what they do and trust that they will use smart online. Other staff members are aware of this, and we usually keep info to username, gender, relative age, and interests only. It's a hard rule to keep, but it's something I really work hard to maintain. Lots of players don't understand it, but they're younger, and they'll understand one day. I know many of them have become close friends and share more info outside the server, and have even met people who live within a 30 minute drive away (They went to the same school. I made sure that no weird encounters would happen :p), but I still wish to keep that on the server at least to keep us out of trouble. I do get a bit out of control with online privacy and safety for kids and am a bit extreme, but I just don't want kids to make some of the mistakes I did years ago. Long story short, this is why when I heard Johan say this, I immediately thought "Why didn't I think of that earlier?" and wanted to start the discussion on here. I don't know how to regulate stuff like that or get started, but I really want us to surprise the guys at Mojang! :D
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    All users should have a mojang account that blocks your client from chat unless you verify your account somehow. But seriously, parents should actually be parents and find out about the products they buy their children. If a child has MCPE it is because an adult let them have it. The product should show that there is the possibly of children talking online with adults via online play. If a parent allows a child to have a CD that says Parental Advisory the CD company has done its part and it is down to the parenting skills of the adult if the child hears it. As an adult should be present when MCPE is paid for there should be a feature on install that allows the parent to block all chat or server use.

    I don't think mojang have the right to nanny users but should make it hard for a child to access online play.
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    Hmm i like this idea ALOT Ive seen people join servers and repeatedly swear at other players and the owner, admins and mods. What if someone made a Plugin where when they login they have to do /age (Random 1 here) and if there a certain age they can join the chat and see chat, if they arent the certain age it ip blocks them from chatting even under a different name cause they can just exit the server rejoin and do /age with a higher age. It be awesome cause i sometimes cant stand kids on Xbox Live and MCPE Swearing excessively, I had many 9 year old kids think they can swear to me and talk smack in the game, I really hate doing this but i tell the kid off in a nice way and they just leave the lobby cause they cant take what i told them.
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    I think you assume children are honest. I seem to remember you lying about certain information on my server in order to play. ;)

    It will never work.
    Example:

    You must be 18 or over to view this porn
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    Yes I am over 18 - let me watch it No, I am under 18 - get me out of here

    Or just play GTA5 online and listen to all the children to see what I mean. It is in human nature to lie to get what one wants. The only way is to microchip children at birth with RFID and enter all citizens of the one world government in to a database and log their activities via implants.
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    We have been requesting that they add in some type of Mojang account authentication system to join servers, but I do like the idea to have some type of thing that a parent has to verify through the Mojang account to allow them to chat or join servers or whatever. Younger kids don't have emails, and the ones that do have emails are old enough to be trusted by their parents to not share their info or their parents aren't monitoring them enough. And right in the app, it'll give a website for parents to make the account (or in the app) and require an email authentication and if they are under 13 years of age (determined when they make the account), the parent has more access to choose what they can and can't do (once again, younger kids won't have access to an email and what not).
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    I Lied about certain information because i loved your server and i feared you would not let me play on it, saying () Are not allowed doesnt want me to tell you lol and forgot about the lying part lol i lied when i was like 7 to play runescape lol it was fun at the time now i question why i played it and good example
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    why not just create a plugin where you blacklist all possibly badwords and block all special characters like "ł,á,č,ē... etc" to avoid badwords from spilling it out from the chat.

    i somehow done that on my server using the plugin that @sekjun9878 made and tried to make some modifications to bypass things out. i also see badword blocker like in SkyWarsPE server too. in that way, kids cant speak/hear badwords etc.
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    That is exactly the same as children are not allowed but they lie because they love the server and fear they can not play. :)
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    I do understand that aspect. I think Mojang is thinking more about the 5-10 or 12 year old kids. I think it'd just be easy to require them to have an email, because really, not many kids under 12 has an email and if they do, they are one bright kid (or are spoiled). If younger kids don't have an email, they'll have to ask their parents to give them access, and from then Mojang has the ability to warn parents and inform them of their powers as the owner of the Mojang account.
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    The thing is that we can make as many chat filters as we want, but because it's a plugin, not all servers will use it. Mojang is really looking for a way that can make sure no matter what server a kid joins, they won't encounter inappropriate material.
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    Not many kids that are like 5-8 know what a email is lol they just get there parents to do it
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    Or Mojang can just add chat filter to there game lol
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    why not just implement chat filter in the pocketmine core files? in that way, it would be forced to implement or not.
    server owners can either turn on chat filter or disable chat filter in the server.properties.
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    Exactly! If getting onto a server requires them to log in with a Mojang account, and young children don't know what emails are and stuff and use their parents, then the parents are confronted with the terms and regulations of Mojang, what happens on servers, how to protect them, etc. The parents can block them from joining anything but Realms servers that they set up for their child and friends, or just block chat for external servers, or give them free access, limit how often they can play, etc. The possibilities are endless!
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    Also id like to say alot of kiddies dont even know what a server is. I asked my cousin do you play on any servers hes about 7 or 8 idk right now but he asked me what a server is lol
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    Forcing it into PocketMine will make lots of people angry, and giving a toggle to the filter will still allow server chat to have lots of bad stuff in it, which is pretty much the same as giving them an option for using a plugin or not.
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    For a child that really wants to play there is always youtube. There you can easily find out how to make an email account. This burden should be on no one but the parent. No one should be censored and freedom of speech should remain. Parents should be parents and take heed to the warning they see on purchase. What adult allows their child to use their google/apple account with a credit card attached to it? A disclaimer should also be on the title screen of MCPE too. This problem is a non problem as far as I can see but the problem of parents failing to be parents is an ever increasing problem. But in a world when pop stars behave like whores and are promoted to children does it really matter about MCPE?
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    Then Mojang is succeeding in what they wanted to get done. We want Mojang to add a multiplayer menu/button, but they won't because of server issues and because MCPE has a younger age base, so they are purposely making it complicated.

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