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Donate or Paid plugin section

Comments in 'Forum Discussion' started by Primus, Aug 9, 2015.

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Should PocketMine team add Donate button for developers or Paid plugin section?

Poll closed Aug 16, 2015.
  1. Paid plugin section.

    8.0%
  2. Donate button

    72.0%
  3. Both

    8.0%
  4. I dont care

    12.0%
  1. Vaivez66
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    Donate button win!
  2. Thunder33345
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    now is the time for staff member to chose add paid section,add donate button,allow plugin maker to add their own donate button
    after all we cant really do anything out of telling what they should add/do/improve
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  3. PEMapModder
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  4. aliuly
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    That's why probably should be done outside these forums. Maybe @MCG76 would be willing to host it, since he already have a plugin store running.
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    So we could add our own paypal e-mail and kindly ask for donations?
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    We have said a lot of bad things (but true :D) to him why he would?
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    Found this @ dafont.com

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    Like an app store, he could probably get a % of the plugin sales.
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    Donate button, I'm fine with, but a paid plugin section, I vote no. PocketMine-MP itself is free software. Before paid plugins, there should be a paid version of PM. And no one wants that. So, I say no to paid plugins, even though I would like to make some money off of my plugins, I say all plugins should be free.
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    Here we go again....
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  11. TigerHix
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    This... I totally do not understand the logic behind "before paid plugins, there should be a paid version of PM". If possible, please kindly read my previous arguments where I have already addressed the license issue along with other reasons.
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    I didn't feel like reading the whole thread. All I was saying is that, if the people who spent hours and hours making PM don't get any money except for donations. Then the plugins devs shouldn't get money except for donations either
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    The logic is faulty. Plugins basing on PocketMine's API are not belonged to the PocketMine software or the organization. Plugin developers have the priority rights of their own work, either to distribute or sell, it's the legal right for the plugin developer to do so.

    Of course this applies to PocketMine team as well; Shoghi could sell PocketMine at $0.99 per license for PocketMine being a cleanroom implementation unlike Bukkit project. Of course we are very glad he didn't do that, but he had the rights to do it. But it doesn't mean that plugin developers requiring a fair price for their plugin is immoral or what. It's simply just trading, a widely accepted behavior in reality. What's the matter of that?
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    By the way, to avoid further unnecessary argues, following issues have been already addressed in my previous posts:
    • "Unfair" to developers of free/open-source plugins
    • Low-quality plugins may take up the market
    • Abuse use of paid plugins, such as distribution or decompilation
    • Donation is enough for developers
    • Money is evil and developers should not aim at it
    • Reference to Spigot forums (premium resources) is not eloquent
    • License problems
    • Difficult to implement
    And you could find my counter arguments for above issues in this thread.
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    I agree, the plugin makers do have the right. But if they want to, they can do it on another forum. The PocketMine team has done a great job of making this whole project open source and free. And any new user heading to this forum can get any features advertised on the forum for free. If a plugin dev wants to sell something, they can. I don't believe it belongs on this forum though. Just my opinion, doesn't matter
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    Since everyone seems to be sharing their opinions, I may as well join the party.

    I am a strong believer in open software and permissive licensing. I have boycotted software simply because it is closed source. That being said, I use Sublime Text (closed source nag-ware) on a daily basis and I love it. I think the important point that developers need to understand is that collecting donations, although not legally, but morally ties you to providing support and higher quality code to your users. This isn't something I think that we as a community are ready to handle. On the flip side, users of plugins need to understand that if they aren't paying for a plugin, there is no reason for them to get extra support and the support they do get is entirely voluntary. I am afraid that if I ask for donations on my plugins: a) I will get none and b) Everyone will assume I am getting rich off it and demand better support. This isn't a desirable situation and as such I have stayed away from donations. To sum up my view, if you decide to ask for donations or charge money, make sure you are backing it up with a high quality product and are prepared to deal with annoying complaints from users.
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    he would prob take 50% share of it hosting it yourself is probably the best
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    Then boycott MCPE :p
    We are talking about moral values, not technical permission.
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    If you have the absolute permission to do so, how is it immoral in anyway? And, can we really ban a feature just because we think "it is immoral"? Morality is not an objective standard, but forum rules are. Judging a objective rule by subjective standards can only bring us worse results.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2015
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    Who told you forum rules are objective? Everything in mankind comes from subjective thoughts. Otherwise, we don't need to discuss here at all.
    P.S. I think you mixed up subjective and objective in the last sentence
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