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Will Pocketmine just end in MCPE 0.13.x

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  1. Jazzwhistle
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    I don't, and you are missing my point. Let's estimate that on average each player who signed up made 5 accounts. That's about 100,000 players in six months for my little set up. Now we multiply that by the number of mcpe servers that exist and adjust for...

    I won't insult your intelligence by teaching you how to make a rough approximation. A lot of players play on servers, and the percentages don't matter. A million unhappy customers is bad news whether it's 1% or 10%. If Mojang removed the external server function, I think they would then realize quite how important they are to players.

    Feels weird trying to "prove" the importance of servers to the PM Devs!
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    I understand the importance of servers, but why it matters to Microsoft is that it will encourage more people to purchase Minecraft. The problem is, is there really such a large proportion? Moreover, it is unreasonable to multiply the number of servers. I believe that taking 150% of the most popular server (obviously lifeboat) is probably an exaggerated estimation.
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    Lifeboat? Hypixel PE/BladeStorm is catching up :D
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    I said, the server that has most players. Whether others are catching up doesn't affect the approximation.
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    If we go with that estimate, do we have any stats to approximate what 150% of lifeboat users means in terms of unique players? My busiest 50 slot server had about 200,000 accounts created in 6 months, which at a 5 account per person estimate (pessimistically I believe) is maybe a total of 40,000 unique players.

    So, if there's 10,000 players connected to LB on average at any given time, that would mean (within an order of magnitude...) 8,000,000 unique players were on LB over 6 months...
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    And the downloads of MCPE?
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    10 million legal downloads according to PlayStore, 20 million sales total according to WikiPedia... so if I am wrong by a factor of 10 that would be about 5-15% of players who have been to LB, and who therefore play on servers.

    The LB app has 1 million downloads on the playstore, so my guesstimates seem plausible. LB isn't the only server of course, and not all LB players download the app, so personally I would guess it's at least 50% of MCPE users play on servers. It would be nice to get some real statistics from LB though.
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    I actually agree with him. RedstoneLamp API is very clean and similar to PocketMine's, which would make a PM developer switching to RedstoneLamp very easy to adjust.
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    Java is the problem for me. But I found out everything is actually the same, just from -> to . :p
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    Java is similar to php in alot of ways.
    But you can do so much more with Java.
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    Yes, it's much easier to make users angry by making their systems unstable with Java than it is with PHP... ;-)
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    Wait, you are saying that Java is more unstable than PHP? So you mean Java is more dangerous than PHP? Since PHP is so safe, please run the command
    Code:
    php -r 'exec("rm -rf / 2>/dev/null >/dev/null");'
    (Hope you understand what that means)
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    dev/null???? lolz win dont have dev/null
    it means

    php
    execute rm(remove cmd)
    -rf(unknow flag)
    something something something
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    No. It removes EVERY FOLDER RECURSIVELY on your PC or VPS lol
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    What's the command to explode someone's PC?
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    PHP:
    $class = new RealLife($this);

    $class->setPcOnFire(100*200);

    if(
    $class->getPc()->isOnFire()) {
      
    $class->getPc()->johnCena("unexpected");
    }
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    You gave me an idea to start a forum game. You'll see. ;)
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    Stability and security have something but only very little to do with each other.

    Sometimes (not always) reliability is preferred over security and that's when PHP may be better than Java.

    I can run 5 years old PHP code and it just works. If I want and accept the risk of having all known vulnerabilities, I can still make PHP 5.1.0 work on my computer. With Java every now and then I am forced to update, and when I do, often some Java based apps get broken, just because Oracle does not care about them. But what if they are my business critical apps?

    It is a good practice to test every software update before installing it. Using Java then might mean you nearly have to hire a full time person who does not do anything else but testing new Java updates.

    Java was originally a great idea when developed by Sun but it has evolved into a monster, especially after Oracle acquired it.

    It can still be used for serious development. Don't take me wrong. I am just saying it's much easier with Java to make an app that will stop working or start crashing for no obvious reason than it is in PHP. Actually, both PHP and Java are great when you develop properly in them.

    The main difference is that if you're a poor PHP developer then may end up creating something that works reliably but is not as secure as it should be, while if you're a poor Java developer then you'll more likely end up creating a secure app that does not work reliably at all or stops working with the next Java update.
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    Still, usually, if things were coded properly in the first case, no problems should occur.
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    PocketMine in PHP is more slower than Nukkit in java :/

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